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November 14, 2009

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Reminds me of Ray Bradbury's poem "Christus Apollo," written, I believe, in response to the Apollo 8 mission, the first manned mission to lunar orbit:

Apollo’s missions move, and Christus seek,
And wonder as we look among the stars
Did He know these?
In some far universal Deep
Did He tread Space
And visit worlds beyond our blood-warm dreaming?
Did He come down on lonely shore by sea
Not unlike Galilee
And are there Mangers on far worlds that knew His light?
And Virgins?
Sweet Pronouncements?
Annunciations? Visitations from angelic hosts?
And, shivering vast light among ten billion lights,
Was there some Star much like the star at Bethlehem
That struck the sight with awe and revelation
Upon a cold and most strange morn?

These are only a few lines of a longer work. It is in Bradbury's collection "I Sing the Body Electric." You can read the whole piece here:
(Disclaimer: I know nothing about this blog or its writer--it's just a convenient spot where I found the text of the poem.)
http://onefracturedfairytale.blogspot.com/2007/11/christus-apollo-by-ray-bradbury.html

"There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens ..."

Boy, that would REALLY be a doctrine of exceptionalism.

(And does anyone know if Davies is right when he characterizes multiple incarnations as a heresy? What would have to change if we had evidence that such a thing had happened?)

What would constitute evidence that such a thing had happened?

I can't figure how reincarnation applies. Please explain. Yes, reinc is not traditional anthropology. Where does reinc apply? The bodhisatvas of history: the Dali Lama, for isntance.

My understanding of eastern theology would seem to imply that that fall was a universal fall in the sense that all of the created order is fallen and the incarnation redeems the whole universe. What that means in terms of the incarnation of Jesus on Earth, I could not say.

One perspective on this issue of the incarnation is to remember that, while we consider the incarnation to be a religious “fact,” the explanation as to “why” the incarnation was necessary has varied. The idea that the incarnation was necessary to allow Christ to make satisfaction for the debt incurred by humanity for sin and, therefore, to satisfy divine justice dates from Anselm of Canterbury and has been normative in the Christian West. Eastern Christianity, however, has not typically seen it that way and has looked primarily to the formulation of Maximus the Confessor who believed that it was part of the divine intent from the beginning of creation that humanity should be divinized (theosis). Thus, the incarnation would have been “necessary” even if “Adam” had not "fallen." This releases the incarnation as a salvific event from its being merely a consequence of human sinfulness, such that the divine intent is not constrained by human action. If we simply expand the incarnation to be the unification of God not only with Homo sapiens but with all of God’s self-aware creatures, we can “side step” the (to my mind archaic) notion of “the fall” and extend the incarnation to the entire created universe of self-aware beings. Back to the 7th century, do you think?

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